Robert T. Collier . . . . But Not This One

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Grave of Robert Terrell Collier, Glenwood Cemetery, Upshur County, Texas

This is the marker of the grave of Robert Terrell Collier, grandson of Vines Collier, son of Williamson Collier, and my great-great grandfather.  In the 1870s Robert Terrell loaded his family into a covered wagon and left Upson County, Georgia for Texas.  He settled in East Texas, an area not unlike his native Georgia.  Although he had cousins who had already moved to Texas, there is no evidence they ever made contact.

Records of Confederate soldiers from Georgia showed that Robert T. Collier enlisted with a probable cousin, Green Collier, in the Woodson Guards, Company I, 32nd Georgia Regiment.  The unit formed at Thomaston, in Upson County.  The same records state the same Robert T. Collier died of the measles while on duty in Savannah.  I shrugged this off as typical of military records of that period that are often erroneous or incomplete.  Seeking to investigate this discrepancy, I applied to the National Archives for the military service records of Robert Terrell Collier.  The reply came back that no records of Robert Terrell Collier could be found.  However, the records of Robert Thomas Collier of Upson County Georgia were located.

Robert Thomas, son of Robert Marshall Collier, and Robert Terrell were first cousins once removed.  Robert Thomas was born in 1837, and Robert Terrell was born in 1836.  Both were from Upson County, Georgia.  It’s easy to see the cause of the confusion when looking back over 150 years.

I have yet to locate evidence of Robert Terrell’s military service.  In that part of the South where over 25 descendants of Vines Collier wore Confederate gray, it is almost impossible to believe Robert Terrell did not serve. As noted above, military records for the period are poor.

Following are the records provided by the National Archives.  They include a letter from Sarah E. (Stafford) Collier, widow of Robert Thomas, in which she seeks her dead husband’s compensation.  It is accompanied by a notarized statement from Robert Marshall Collier attesting to the accuracy of Sarah’s claim.  See the June 6, 2015 post “Robert Marshall Collier’s Papers” for more on Robert Thomas Collier.

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  1. Betty Collier King on January 24, 2019 at 2:25 pm said:

    I am the great, great granddaughter of Henry Collier, who was born about 1776 in SC and died in Dooly County, GA in 1840. He was the father of John Collier who was born about 1824, in Ga and died in1896 in Crewsville, Ga in 1896. I have been researching for about 30 years (with cousins) to try to find Henry’s ancestors, but have been unsuccessful. Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

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The Pulse of CHF Website – Where Are We Now?

Marker for Collier Alley, Barnesville, Georgia

Marker for Collier Alley, Barnesville, Georgia

In February 2016, the Collier Heritage Foundation website was one year old.  The website was begun to collect and disseminate information about Collier family history.  For Year One, I think we have been successful.  Here are some of the highlights of our work as I see them.

  • Made public three extensive Collier genealogies:  1) contracted by Jena Cuthbert Collier, 2) complied by Elmer Collier, and 3) complied by Barbara Vines Little and contracted by Elaine Collier Neal.  If you missed any of these, check the “Recent Posts” or “Archives” sections.
  • Posted correspondence relating to the “discovery” of the burial place of Vines Collier.
  • Exhibited photos not seen since 1944 of the dedication of the Vines Collier monument.
  • Posted pages from Collier family Bibles.
  • Provided geo-referenced locations of the plantations of Charles Collier and Thomas Vines near Yorktown, Virginia.
  • Posted some of the Confederate history of the Colliers.
  • Posted numerous historical Collier photographs.

A word of caution in regard to three genealogies or any family history posted here.  Genealogical information from different sources may be contradictory.  It doesn’t necessarily mean one is correct and one isn’t.  Maybe there is just not enough of the right information.  Regardless, our job here is not to decide what is accurate or inaccurate but to put the information out for review and discussion.

Emails and private correspondence tells me we are bringing together Colliers from around the country.  However, the site has only 27 followers and only has received 4 public comments.  In the previous year, the site had almost 3500 views, which is an average of about 9.5 per day.  The biggest day ever was in August 2015, with 115 view in a single day.  It seems apparent we have many more “views” than “followers” or “subscribers”.  Perhaps the feeling is that by “subscribing”, you will get an unwanted deluge of messages and ads.   Be assured, this is not the case.  You will only be notified by email of a new posting.  Please “subscribe”.  More subscribers would make the effort to produce this website more worthwhile.  I also invite you to introduce yourself on our Message Board.  And comments about this website or any post are invited, welcomed, and appreciated!

Glen Collier

 

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  1. Wayne collier on March 6, 2016 at 10:33 pm said:

    I think my favorite post from the past year was the one that showed where the Collier plantations were located using aerial photos from Google maps. It’s neat to see how the real estate has been developed and changed since those days. When I was in Yortown and driving around York County back in 2009, I remember wondering if I had been on what was once some of the old Collier land. Now, I know! In fact, my souvenir from that trip was a water bottle full of dirt I collected and labeled ‘York county Virginia’. Thanks 4 your work on the website and family history.

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Documents on Vines Collier in Virginia and his Ancestry, Part 2 – Collier Maternal Lineages

This is the second of three posts presenting the research of professional genealogist, Barbara Vines Little.  Research was made possible by Elaine Collier Neal.  This section covers Collier Maternal Lineages.

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Documents on Vines Collier in Virginia and his Ancestry

Collier Cousins & Jack Howard (3rd from right) at the Grave of Vines Collier, 2012

Collier Cousins & Jack Howard (3rd from right) at the Grave of Vines Collier, 2012

This information is made possible by Elaine Collier Neal and professional genealogist, Barbara Vines Little.  It will be presented in three posts.  The first, presented here, is a summary and the notes compiled by Ms. Little.  Later posts will present the Collier Lineage and the Collier Maternal Lineages.

Elaine Collier Neal prepared the following introduction.

For those in the family who like to verify family stories, the following pages detail the Collier lineage in Virginia with exact sources.   It can serve as a guide for those who might be interested in joining such lineage organizations as First Families of Virginia.  Barbara Vines Little, a professional genealogist, prepared the following report.  She was asked to particularly trace Vines Collier and his wife Sarah.

There are many legends surrounding the Collier family in Virginia, some of which can be supported with documentary evidence.

There is little documentary evidence of Vines Collier’s marriage to Sarah Williamson.  That portion of the family remains to be discovered.

So far, no one has found documentary proof that Vines Collier was a lieutenant in the Colonial Militia.  There are official State of Virginia documents that give his pay as an ensign, a military rank just below lieutenant.  Yes, we know his tombstone says he was an ensign and lieutenant, but that was placed years later, and maybe in error.  An ensign is an officer in the Colonial military and it is a honorable commission itself.

We post this report in hopes that other researchers will expand our knowledge of our family’s early  history and share items they uncover.   For example, Vines Collier’s Family Bible is missing.  Many researchers are also looking for the Powell Bible which might add much to the early history of Vines Collier’s family.

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  1. collierheritage on April 24, 2017 at 4:52 pm said:

    Thanks for the photo, Holly. Do you know the date?

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