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June 7, 2015: Collier Family of York County Virginia
My name is Linda Cardwell. I have researched the Collier Family of York County Virginia for over thirty (30) years. I am a direct descendant of “a Negro girl, Rachel” as mentioned in John Collier’s 1824 Last Will and Testament, Jasper County Georgia. Rachel was presumably daughter of Harry and Caroline as they were grouped together in the will. I have traced my family through a series of Collier Family Last Wills and Testaments beginning with Isaac Collier (1771).
I would like request any information in regards to slaves and/or negro manifests, bill of sales, inventories and estate sales. I’m desperately trying to locate my love ones whom were separated from us doing this period. I’m interested in the following documents:
1692 (Mary Collier Bennett, Wife of Isaac Collyer)
* I would like to know what happened to Slave Mary and her child
*Did Charles Collier (1722) have a slave named Coleman?
*What happened to Isaac Negroes upon his death in 1771?
* Was Harry in the 1771 will purchased from William Bryd II?
1771 Last Will and Testament of Isaac Collier
*I would like to know if the Harry mentioned in the 1771 will same as in John’s 1824 will.
According to history, this branch of Caucasian Collier were humane and just. As evident in Isaac Collier’s Last Will and Testament in which he forbade his Negroes to come in the possession of his own son-in- law, Henry Howard.
Now, I’m asking that you continue that family tradition in helping me find out what happened to my love ones.
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Linda, I have researched the descendants of Isaac Collier (1606-1682) who owned land in Elizabeth City County and have a copy of his will. Isaac seems to have come permanently to York County by 1655. His grandson, Charles Collier (1680-1753) both 350 acres there from Richard Lee. I am descended from this Charles Collier. I also have a list of the names of people enslaved by this branch of the Collier family. If you are interested in any of this, let me know.
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Oh wow! Yes, I am very much interested. Any information regarding negros documented by this.branch. will be greatly appreciated. Please forward to colliersconnect@gmail.com. Thank you.
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Dear Linda,
I am a descendant of John Collier of Jasper County, GA. His father was VInes Collier of York and then Brunswick County, VA. John chose not to inherit from his father Vines.
I don’t know how John got his slaves. I have John’s list of slaves and who hired them and who in the Will of 1824 was to get them. John Collier had married a second wife Leah and she was to get most of them while she remained a widow which she did. She did move however to Newton Co. GA and died there. I have her obituary. She had her own children with her from her earlier marriage in Virginia. Do you have her will, her inventory, and etc. of these?
As listed in the inventory of John Collier on 2 April 1825 with the person who hired them if that was mentioned:
Robert Benton hired Negro man Gilbert; one Negro man Harry; one Negro woman Carole; one Negro man Parris; John Simmons hired Negro girl Rachel; Robert Collier hired Negro boy Abram; one Negro boy Colen; Robert Benton hired Negro girl Zemilee; Robert Collier hired Negro girl Cherry; Wm V Evans hired Negro boy Isaac; one Negro girl Malind; one Negro boy Henry; It just says Wm L Collier hired old Negros (he was John’s son and one of the executors); Thomas W Collier, another son, was the other executor of John Collier’s will.According to John’s will, his wife Leah was to get Negro boy Calomane, a Negro man Gilbert, Negro woman Caroline, a Negro girl Rachel, a Negro boy Isaac. As you see the will and the inventory are conflicting on what happened to the individuals.
I don’t think this Calomane would be the same person as in the Virginia reference because of the passage of time but could have been a child named after him.
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According to an 1870 federal. Population census, Clifton beat Wilcox Alabama, Rachel (head of household), Henry and Zembla was residing together along with. Henry’s children Norton. Lucy. Felix. Harry. Zemly. Zembla (sp) had two children. Jasper and Macklin (sp). They were still residing on the property of a J.B. Collier. Henry’s had more children after 1870: Parrish Collier (my grandfather). John Collier. James Collier. Elizabeth Colliet and Caroline Colliet. Rachel was enumerated.in1880 now residing with son Henry in Wilcox. County.
John may inherited.his negros from his grandmother when he married in 1794. Isaac bequeathed a Negro named Harry in 1771 will not his wife. Could the be the same Harry as in John”s 1824 will or son?
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My GGGgrandfather was Benjamin son of Vines Collier.
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Welcome and thanks for connecting! Feel free to share any related information you might have on the CHF website.
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Hey Ronnie,
Ironically, I’m in the library attempting to established a tracker of All the Negros owned by Isaak Collyer (aka Isaac Collier Sr.) and his heirs. Specially, the descendant of Charles>Isaac>Vines lineage. So far, I have been successful in tracking Negros owned by John Collier, Elizabeth (Josiah Smith) Collier as well as Judith (James Hicks) Collier. Although Robert Collier listed as having forty-one Negros but I could only locate the names of four and an unknown child.Ronnie if you have a list of Benjamin Collier’s Negros, I would greatly appreciate you sharing this information with me. My goal is to see how many of these Negro lineage still exits and how many are related (most likely through DNA testing).
I will forever be appreciative of Elaine whom has given my family such a precious gift. She provided me the names of John Collier’s Negros. I’m the direct descendant of “Negro girl Rachel” as listed in John Collier’s 1824 Last Will and Testament. And most likely, I’m a descendant of a women “Rachel” listed in Isaac Collier’s 1771 Inventory (New Brunswick).
Thank you so….much. Linda
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I am Vines Issac Collier’s 6th great granddaughter….I would like some of all his papers too…can I get copies….My aunt had his coat of arms….had being the key word…but I’d be happy to purchase…copies of his papers
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Maryhelen,
Thank you for joining us! Any of the papers or photos here may be downloaded to your computer. If you have difficulty with that or want better resolution, let me know and I’ll email the items to you. If you prefer paper copies, I can arrange that, if your request is not too extensive.
What exactly is your line from Vines Collier?
Glen
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My 7x great-grandmother was a Mary COLLIER 1690–1765
BIRTH CA 1690 • Calvert, Maryland, Colonial America
DEATH JUNE 1765 • Possibly: Charleston, Charleston, South Carolina, USAShe married George Bussey III in South Carolina in about 1710. I have no clue as to her parents!
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Carolyn.
Welcome and thanks for the introduction. We’re glad you found this website. Maybe someone here can fill in some blanks for you.
Glen
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I recently discovered my ancestors were purchased by John Collier, son of Vines Collier between 1794 and 1800. My oldest known ancestors were Bette and her child Cate; Cate and her children/gchildren: Rachel, Lucy, Lydia (Broadnax), Bob and Jamey; Fanny and her children Paris and Isaac. My ancestors were found in James Parrish 1754 LWAT; John Hatley Norton 1794 LWAT: codicil; George Wythe 1787 Agreement; John Collier 1824 LWAT; estate inventory, bill of sale). Ironically, my ggGrandr Henry named his children: Norton, Lucy, Felix, Harry, Parrish (my grandfather), Zemly, John, James, Elizabeth and Catherine. If you have any additional information on my ancestors, please share.
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I’m descended from Randolph H. Collier b. c 1779 pbl VA, d. 17 Nov 1852 Monroe or Pike County, GA. He married Nancy Ann Cole abt 1818 in maybe Kershaw County, SC. Their children were: Benjamin Thomas Collier b. 1819 SC; Elizabeth C. Collier b. 1822 SC; James W. Collier b. 1824; Winifred Rebecca Collier b. 1827; Mary Ellen Collier b. 1830. His father is sometimes listed as Thomas Collier.
Is this Collier family related to Vines Collier? Where did Randolph H. Collier get his name?
Hoping someone has information on these Colliers!
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I came across your site while researching my husband’s maternal Collier line.His Collier relatives are descended from Isaac-Isaac-Micajah-Caleb-John Vorhees-John Marion. Irvin Collier(son of John Vorhees Collier) was my husband’s maternal grandfather.Irvin’s daughter Shirley was my husband’s mother.Thanks to all who are making this research accessible! I am able to add many generations to his family line.
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We’re glad you’ve found us. Let us know if you have something of your husband’s line to contribute.
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Disclaimer:I am an amateur genealogist,but based on the documented and well-researched information compiled by your members I would like to add a few possibilities of the Collier ancestry for consideration. Johannes de Liestes was sent by the mother Abbey to Selincourt.St. Pierre de Selincourt Abbey was founded in 1131 by Walter Tyrrell III(Gauthier du Thirel).He also founded Sainte Larme du Christ(Holy Tear of Christ). This information can be found on line in a book “Further Genealogical Notes on the Tyrrell -Terrell Family of Virginia” by Edwin Holland Terrell published in San Antonio,Texas in 1909.
The Tyrrell family was well connected to nobility and royalty. Several family members went on the Crusades.
Johannes (Colie Re) served as a bailiff or magistrate. Colie re is a Latin law term meaning to unite or reconcile.When writing a letter today we use the term RE meaning ‘ in the matter of’.
These are just my personal observations,but they fit the historical narrative.
Thank you for your consideration.
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Robert Marshall Collier’s Papers
Robert Marshall Collier became one of the largest plantation owners in middle Georgia. Here is a deed dated Dec. 1, 1858 where RMC acquired 201-1/2 acres from Williams Harp for a price of $1,050.00.
Within a few months he is documented as buying another 100 acres from the Harp Estate. The price was $600.00.
Robert Thomas Collier, son of Robert Marshall and Amanda F. Collier, was born Dec. 7, 1837. Robert Thomas was married to Sarah E. Stafford on May 6, 1856. He enlisted in the Woodson Guards, Company I, 32d Regiment, Georgia Volunteer Infantry, Army of Tennessee, C.S.A., as a private on May 7, 1862. Records show he died in Savannah prior to February 17, 1863. Measles is listed as the cause of death.
Robert Marshall settled the Estate of his son, Robert Thomas, in 1876, as shown by these two documents.
As Jena Cuthbert Collier put together his family’s history, he sought information from those who had served with his uncle, Robert Thomas Collier. Here is the January 26, 1923 reply to his inquiry from an aging Confederate veteran.
And the transcription:
Robert Marshall Collier was deeded the land holdings of his mother, Martha Marshall Booker Collier (daughter-in-law of Vines and Elizabeth Collier), before she passed away. Here is the deed that transferred the property in 1870.
After the death of Martha Marshall Booker Collier, Robert Marshall Collier administered her estate.
This document shows the portion of the estate received by Edith Louisa (Collier) Sharman, sister of Robert M. Collier.
In 1881, Robert Marshall Collier partnered with Thomas Black to purchase the rights to use a patented Gin Saw Filing Machine.
Here is a list of items sold from the Jas. G. Whatley Estate. Robert Marshall Collier’s second wife was Susan Jane Whatley. Many of the items at the sale were purchased by Robert Marshall Collier.
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It’s amazing how just a mere piece of paper (or onion skin 🙂 can encapsule so much history and knowledge of our ancestors. The document showing the rights to use the saw filling machine is like artwork…what a find!
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I read the June 15, 2015 issue of Collier Heritage and was glad to see the information about Robert Thomas Collier. I had wondered where his death date of June 29, 1862, originated. The Confederate record just list it as prior to Feb 17, 1863. I am very interested in any information on Robert Thomas Collier and his son Robert Thomas, as my wife is a descendant of Robert Thomas Collier. If anyone has information on this line please contact me. Thanks.
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Tom,
Thank you for your inquiry. We are grateful you have found something here of interest to you.The date came from the handwritten letter of D. W. Lewis (above) in response to an inquiry from J C Collier. Lewis apparently served with Robert Thomas Collier. His response to J C was written in 1923, some 60 years after Robert Thomas’ death, so that should be considered in assessing its accuracy. There may be other relevant information still to be found in the papers of Robert Marshall Collier. We will keep your interest in mind.
If your wife is a descendant of Robert Thomas Collier, she may also be interested in documents related to the Staffords, which was the maiden name of Robert Thomas’ wife. There many Stafford papers which have not yet been inventoried. If you are interested please send me an email at collierheritage@gmail.com and I can send a you few items that may not be posted here for some time.
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Glen Collier
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Robert Marshall Collier, son of Robert & Martha Marshall Booker Collier
Grave of Robert Marshall Collier, Mt. Zion Cemetery, Piedmont (Lamar County), Georgia. The plantation of Robert Marshall Collier surrounded the cemetery.
Robert Marshall Collier was a grandson of Vines and Elizabeth Collier of Oglethorpe County, Georgia. He married Amanda F. Greene Dec. 24, 1835, and they had the following children: 1) Robert Thomas, 2) Martha, 3) Mary Fletcher, 4) Isaac Cuthbert, 5) William Vines, 6) Louisa Marshall, and 7) Amanda Virginia.
Amanda F. (Greene) Collier died in 1864. Robert Marshall Collier’s Bible shows he married Susan Jane Whatley of Upson County, Georgia on Oct. 20, 1865.
Robert Marshall Collier was a pioneer planter who became one of the largest plantation owners in middle Georgia. He was also the grandfather of Jena Cuthbert (J. C.) Collier. Below is a photograph of the house of Robert Marshall Collier taken December 12, 1943. The gentleman on the lawn is J. C. Collier. The girl is his granddaughter, June Cason.
Here is a photograph of the rear of the house, taken at the same time (Dec. 12, 1943). J. C. Collier is the gentleman on the left.
In 2003, I set out to locate the home built by Robert Marshall Collier over 150 years earlier. Information said it was at The Rock and was recognizable by its several chimneys and figure 8 railing around the porch. I found it just north of the railroad near the main intersection at The Rock.
House built by Robert Marshall Collier as it appeared in 2003. Note the figure 8 railing and several chimneys in the first picture.
By 2009, the house had been remodeled and the chimneys and characteristic railing had been removed.
The house built by Robert Marshall Collier as it appeared in 2012.
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Hi,
Do you know when Robert Marshall Collier bought the house in The Rock? I own and am restoring the large house across the street, and am researching the surrounding area. I found a deed for the Collier house from 1869 from W L Carmichael to Robert M Collier. I can find no earlier deeds in the Collier name. This is a bit surprising because I had assumed he owned the house since it was new. I am also assuming that the house was built in the 1830’s as it’s an almost exact match for the James Anderson house just up the street, next to The Rock Ranch, it having been built in the 1830’s.
I am interested in any information you may have on The Rock in general. I have not been able to find an old picture of my house yet.
Thanks!
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Jason,
Thanks for your interest. CHF has boxes of deeds, many of which have not been inventoried and scanned. There are also many documents that relate to The Rock. These will eventually be scanned and posted. Meanwhile, if you will sign up for blog notifications at the top right side of this page, it will provide your email address and I can let you know what we have. There are no solicitations that result from signing up.
Thanks again!
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Thanks, I just signed up. I would love to see whatever you have on the area!
I tried posting the deed in my original comment but it kept failing. I tried again and still no luck.
Thanks!
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Robert Collier, son of Vines & Elizabeth Collier
Josh Rhodes, g-g-g-g-great grandson of Vines Collier cleans the dirt off the grave of Robert Collier in 2012.
From The History of Lamar County (Lambin, 1932), we find that Robert Collier, son of Vines and Elizabeth Williamson Collier was born in Oglethorpe County, Georgia in 1783. He died in Upson County in 1850. Robert was married to Martha Marshall Booker in 1806. He “was one of the most influential and prominent men in middle Georgia. He took part in the organization of Upson County, as shown in the records; was the first representative to the General Assembly of the state, serving for two terms, and later was elected to the State Senate, being honored as the first senator in the history of the county. Records show that he was prominent in an educational way, and was one of the largest landowners of this section. There were eight children born to this union:
1. Edith Louisa, m. Sharman; 2. William Vines, m. Elizabeth Lamar Smead, of Columbus Georgia; 3. Sarah smith, m. William Parham, of Talbotton, and then Judge Lovett; 4. Efford Cobb, moved to Texas; 5. Mary Booker, m. John Miniphee, of Alabama; 6. Robert Marshall; 7. Isaac Cuthbert, of Macon, Georgia; 8. Frances Elizabeth, m. Jack Evans, of Columbus, Georgia.”
Robert and Martha Collier came to Upson County in 1824 as the County was being formed. As a prelude to his later political contributions, Robert served as one of the earliest Justices of the Peace in Upson County, as evidenced by his signature on the following legal document dated July 10, 1828.
My no doubt flawed transcription follows.
Robert and Martha settled in an area south of The Rock, Georgia and lived there until their death. Robert died in 1850 and Martha died in 1875 at the age of 97. Both are buried on the land known as the “Collier Place”.
Jena Cuthbert (J. C.) Collier), great-grandson of Robert Collier, visited the site of the Robert Collier Plantation in 1929 and took the following pictures.
J.C. Collier in 1929 at the grave of his great-grandfather, Robert Collier. J. C. purchased the land comprising the cemetery.
House of Robert and Martha Collier. Photograph taken by J. C. Collier in 1929.
Notes on the following photographs show they were taken December 13, 1943. The photos were found in the desk of J. C. Collier, and he is assumed to be the gentleman in the pictures. J. C. Collier died the following year in 1944.
In 2012, members of the Collier Heritage Foundation found the burial site of Robert Collier three hundred yards from the plantation home shown in the pictures. By that time the house had collapsed and little remained but the brick chimneys. The small cemetery was unmaintained but in good condition as it was protected by a canopy of large trees. At least a dozen graves were identified. One grave was marked with a cairn of bricks while the rest were marked with field stones. No grave marker bore a visible inscription.
The following year, in 2013, the Collier Heritage Foundation marked the cemetery with this monument.
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I’m also 6th generation grand daughter to Vines. My father has done extensive research on our family. We should connect.
Rebecca (Collier) Page
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My name is Leo Geiger ,I spent my first seven years of school in Piedmont Lamar CO. I am the grand son of Anna Collier Geiger and great grand son of Ben and cythia Collier ,iknew j.c. Collier personnelly , but heard about Mr Gena and I think isaac Collier . knew mrs cason real well . my mother is buried in Piedmont and we often wondered if there were any colliers around . these are people I heard my elderly family talk about , I am 72 yrs old and left Piedmont in 1954 but attended school until 1956 . thanks , good history .
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Thanks for your message and welcome to our website. There is more to come about Jena Cuthbert (J.C.) Collier and Piedmont. We’d love to hear any history you can provide us.
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Correction, knew D.C C collier personnelly , we always said Mr dulber . Heard lots of stories about Mr jc Collier . And about and aunt Jennie being his nurse when he died.and how could not know Mr jc Collier, when my brother and I knocked the back door off his Packard, u see he was out at my grandfather Walter Geiger and Anna Collier Geiger house one night as many times he would come out and stop
By. As we left ahead of him , we saw these lights and thought he was our cousin’s and decided to play this swerving game but Mr Collier was not up on game . So that’s how he lost back door. And all that Mr. Collier could say was : y’all gonna pay for this, y’all gonna pay for this ” . Gin was gone, remains of big store was there with side walk in front, train still ran, depot was active in early child hood . Huge gin wells was there with wood covers worked as a kid on no.2 farm beautiful place to be raised . Played and fished on “STRESCH”(where little potato and big potato Creek meets). Have pictures of great grandpa Ben and cythia Collier, who left Piedmont no.2 farm in the 30,s and resided in Chattanooga Tennessee. Also picture of grandpa Walter and Anna Collier Geiger who lost house by fire in 1959 and moved to barnesville. Excited about some kind of monument, had inquired about trying to put something out there. -
nice job gg grandson of Arteamus collier from Wetumpka al relation to vines collier note .. very large collier cemetary in Wetumpka some 1700s.
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I am a descendant of one of the slave families your family owned: The Minitees/Minitae. Im searching for information. Would you be willing to help?
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Sheronda, I descend from Vines Collier to Robert Collier – then I am off in another direction. If you need any help on those two lines, I would be happy to help you.
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I think I am a descendant of one of the slave families owned by Robert Collier. John and Vinnie Collier. John was born about 1812. Does enyone have any information on the slaves they owned.
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SaTtice, I’m Vines 6th gen grandauther. Have always been interested in my heritage. I live in Atlanta with our 4 kids and would so enjoy helping piece our family. Feel free to call me. It would be great to connect.
Rebecca
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I think I am a descendant of one of the slave families owned by Robert Collier, John and Vinnie Collier. John was born about 1812. Does anyone have any information on the slaves they owned?
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Hello, my name is Bailey Collier of Ohio. Grandson of Larry Collier from West Virginia! Not sure if there’s any direct connection with any of y’all but cool page to read!
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Welcome, Bailey! Do you have any other of your family’s lineage to share that might help?
I descend from the Efford Cobb Collier line that moved to Texas. My dad got extensively into genealogy in the 80’s and compiled a large document of the family line in Texas and some of Efford’s siblings that he obtained from Georgia distant relatives doing the same thing. It must be a descendant of Jena Cuthbert Collier as there is an extensive section.
I’ve been putting all this work into Family Search, scanning photos and have even scanned most of his volume.
The articles here are very interesting but I haven’t found any “trees” of family data. Are there?
Is there interest in the “Texas” cousins and how could I best share it?
Welcome! And thanks for your interest and inquiry. Efford C. Collier was the son of Robert Collier, and the grandson of Vines Collier. One of Efford’s siblings was Robert Marshall Collier. Robert Marshall was the father of Isaac Cuthbert Collier and the grandfather of Jena Cuthbert Collier. So, Efford C. would have been Jena’s great-uncle.
If you haven’t done so, please take a look at the archived posts for January and
February 2015. The post entitled “Background” tells how this site was started. I think it will be helpful moving forward for there a lot of things to post and tie together for your Texas branch. In short, Jena and Elmer (a descendant of Efford C.) separately sought out their ancestry. Jena made a least one trip to Texas to introduce himself to his relatives descended from Efford C. There was much correspondence between the two lines and CHF has many of the letters. Many of the them date to the 1920s and are no doubt to or from your ancestors or relatives.
I am excited to have you join this website for I was hoping to attract the interest of the Central Texas line. There is much to share. I am in East Texas and also a descendant of Vines Collier through his son, Williamson.
I will try to post something of specific interest in the next few days Please “subscribe” so you will be notified. Also, if you will select “contact” at the top of the page and send an email I will provide additional information.
Glen Collier