Robert T. Collier . . . . But Not This One

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Grave of Robert Terrell Collier, Glenwood Cemetery, Upshur County, Texas

This is the marker of the grave of Robert Terrell Collier, grandson of Vines Collier, son of Williamson Collier, and my great-great grandfather.  In the 1870s Robert Terrell loaded his family into a covered wagon and left Upson County, Georgia for Texas.  He settled in East Texas, an area not unlike his native Georgia.  Although he had cousins who had already moved to Texas, there is no evidence they ever made contact.

Records of Confederate soldiers from Georgia showed that Robert T. Collier enlisted with a probable cousin, Green Collier, in the Woodson Guards, Company I, 32nd Georgia Regiment.  The unit formed at Thomaston, in Upson County.  The same records state the same Robert T. Collier died of the measles while on duty in Savannah.  I shrugged this off as typical of military records of that period that are often erroneous or incomplete.  Seeking to investigate this discrepancy, I applied to the National Archives for the military service records of Robert Terrell Collier.  The reply came back that no records of Robert Terrell Collier could be found.  However, the records of Robert Thomas Collier of Upson County Georgia were located.

Robert Thomas, son of Robert Marshall Collier, and Robert Terrell were first cousins once removed.  Robert Thomas was born in 1837, and Robert Terrell was born in 1836.  Both were from Upson County, Georgia.  It’s easy to see the cause of the confusion when looking back over 150 years.

I have yet to locate evidence of Robert Terrell’s military service.  In that part of the South where over 25 descendants of Vines Collier wore Confederate gray, it is almost impossible to believe Robert Terrell did not serve. As noted above, military records for the period are poor.

Following are the records provided by the National Archives.  They include a letter from Sarah E. (Stafford) Collier, widow of Robert Thomas, in which she seeks her dead husband’s compensation.  It is accompanied by a notarized statement from Robert Marshall Collier attesting to the accuracy of Sarah’s claim.  See the June 6, 2015 post “Robert Marshall Collier’s Papers” for more on Robert Thomas Collier.

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The file may be downloaded here:

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  1. Betty Collier King on January 24, 2019 at 2:25 pm said:

    I am the great, great granddaughter of Henry Collier, who was born about 1776 in SC and died in Dooly County, GA in 1840. He was the father of John Collier who was born about 1824, in Ga and died in1896 in Crewsville, Ga in 1896. I have been researching for about 30 years (with cousins) to try to find Henry’s ancestors, but have been unsuccessful. Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

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The Sons of Charles Vines Collier, Sr. and Rebecca Owen Collier

 

 

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Confederate Iron Cross at the grave of Sgt. Isaac Peterson Collier

The thread of the Confederacy is prominent in the tapestry that is the history of the Southern Collier family.   A preliminary count reveals over 25 grandsons and great-grandsons of Vines Collier who served in the Army of the Confederate States of America.  (As a side note, some came from slave holding families, some did not.)  Perhaps no where is the thread more evident than in the sons of Charles Vines Collier, Sr. and Rebecca Owen Collier.  Most of the information for this post comes from a compilation by the late Ramon Collier, a descendant of Charles Vines and Rebecca Collier.

Charles Vines Collier, Sr. was the son of Isaac Collier and the grandson of Vines Collier (see post “Isaac Collier, Son of Vines & Elizabeth Collier”).   He was born in 1793 in Oglethorpe County, Georgia and married Rebecca M. Owen on June 4, 1829.  Charles and Rebecca had twelve children.  Seven of the 12 were sons.  All wore Confederate gray.  From youngest to oldest they were:

  1. James Glenn Collier – born Oct. 2, 1848 in Upson County, Georgia; enlisted in the Confederate Army at the age of 15;  saw action around Atlanta in the last months of the war.
  2. Charles Vines Collier, Jr. – born in Upson County, Georgia Oct. 10, 1846; enlisted in Co. B, 2nd Battalion, Georgia Sharpshooters on April 16, 1864 at Dalton, Georgia at the age of 17; was captured at Nashville, Tennessee on Dec. 16, 1864; spent the remainder of the war in prison (including Camp Douglas, Illinois); was discharged on May 17, 1865; reportedly walked home, travelling mostly at night; was never paid for his service to the Confederacy.
  3. Pascal Smith Collier – born in Upson County, Georgia Oct. 29, 1844; was wounded at the Seven-Day Battle of Richmond and died of those wounds July 4, 1862 at the age of 17; buried in an unmarked grave (approximate location known) at Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, Virginia.  Named for his uncle, Paschal Smith, who reportedly served with his father (Charles Vines Collier, Sr.) in the War of 1812. UPDATE See Addition at the End of this Post
  4. John Brackett Collier – born in Upson County, Georgia Feb. 22, 1840; rode horseback from Thomaston, Georgia to West Point, Mississippi and enlisted in the 14th Mississippi Regiment; was wounded at Franklin, Tennessee; spent 6 months in a Union prison in Chicago.
  5. Hardeman Owen Collier – born 1838 in Upson County, Georgia; was 3rd Lieutenant and 2nd Captain of Co. A, 46th Georgia Regiment of Gist’s Brigade and General Walker’s Division;  died June 20th, 1864 of wounds received at the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain in the defense of Atlanta; he is buried in an unmarked grave (approximate location known) at the foot of the mountain;  The story of his death is found in the Diary of Sgt. Jim White:  “(Captain) Collier was killed near our breastworks.  I heard and saw where the minnie ball struck him before he fell, dropping on the knee.  I asked if he was hurt much, in response, running up to our breastworks we secured a litter and bore him over the works while minnie balls flew thick and fast.  He died in about an hour without speaking.”
  6. William Thomas Collier – born March 27, 1835 in Upson County, Georgia; was a member of Co. B, 2nd Battalion, Georgia Sharpshooters
  7. Isaac Peterson Collier – born July 7, 1831 in Upson County, Georgia; joined Co. K, 5th Georgia Volunteer Infantry along with two of his cousins  (Charles V. and Cuthbert Hicks Collier, sons of Cuthbert S. Collier); was recognized for heroism and offered a battlefield commission for his actions at the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain in the defense of Atlanta.  He eloquently declined the promotion.  Brigadier General John King Jackson reported the act in a general order recognizing the deed as an “act of distinguished valor”:

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Here is an eye witness account by John H. Harp, one of the men saved by Isaac Peterson Collier.  It was written years later, and this explains the inconsistency in the date.

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Sgt. Collier was offered a battlefield commission in Company E, but declined with the following statement on June 24, 1864.

Captain:  I have the honor to most respectfully decline the above promotion.  In throwing the shell from the ditch, I am conscious of having done nothing but my duty in attempting to save my life and the lives of the men around me.  I prefer to remain in my company with my comrades, whom I left home with on the 7th day of May, 1861.

Isaac Peterson Collier’s brave deed took place on June 21, 1864.  Sgt. Collier’s brother, Hardeman Owen Collier, had been killed only the day before in the same battle.  It is not known whether he was aware of his brother’s death.

For his bravery, Isaac Peterson Collier was nominated for the Confederate Medal of Honor in 1996.  The vote to approve failed with a 3 – 3 tie.  Subsequent efforts to approve the recognition were even less successful.  In the Kennesaw Mountain Battleground Museum, the bravery of Isaac Peterson Collier is acknowledged by a plaque on the informational rail.

 

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Grave of Sgt. Isaac Peterson Collier, Isaac Collier Cemetery, Upson County, Georgia.

 

After publishing this post, I received the following email from Kathleen Collier Burgess, daughter of the late Ramon Collier and his wife Carol.  Kathleen, I believe, is the great-granddaughter of  Charles Vines Collier, Jr.  I hope she corrects me if I am wrong.

Mom forwarded your email about the post regarding the sons of Charles Vines and Rebecca Owen Collier. She asked me to give you the following information:

In 2003 Dad, Mom and I went to Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond and found the grave of Pascal Smith Collier. There was a number for him (471, section M) recorded in the office which was also on a very small marker. The identification number was available because Pascal was injured and hospitalized there before dying from his wounds. Dad and Mom sent ~$100 to a government organization and had a marker erected at the grave site, so it is no longer unmarked.

Here is a link with a photograph for your records:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=9747032

Thank you for keeping up the historical record.

– Kathleen Collier Burgess

Thank you, Kathleen, for this additional information.  Here is the marker.

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  1. Wayne Collier on September 15, 2015 at 8:44 am said:

    Very interesting, thanks for sharing!

  2. Just discovering my Colliers on the tree outside of Indiana. I used to live in Kennesaw when my spouse was stationed at Ft McPherson, never knew…

  3. Greg C. White on August 13, 2018 at 10:08 pm said:

    Hello,

    Can you provide me with details about the nomination of Isaac P. Collier for the Confederate Medal of Honor, and was there a reason it failed?

    I’m not a Collier family member, but a published Civil War author, and I’m also a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

  4. collierheritage on August 14, 2018 at 8:03 am said:

    First of all, we welcome all who have an interest in Collier family history. Starting in Virginia in the mid-1600s, Collier history is the history of this nation.

    CHF has a file on the subject of Isaac Peterson Collier. The information will be put up as a new post in the near future, so please “subscribe” so that you will be notified.
    Thank you,

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John Vines Collier, Son of William and Sallie Collier

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In 2009, the Collier Heritage Foundation located the burial site of John Vines Collier, grandson of Vines Collier, in Oglethorpe County, Georgia.  The cemetery is located on the Whitehead Farm in the same community as Collier Baptist Church.  However, the John Vines Collier Cemetery is separate from the cemetery associated with the church.

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John Vines Collier Cemetery in 2009

Briars and wasps had taken over the cemetery, and CHF undertook to have it cleaned up.

By 2012, with the help of a local volunteer and some Roundup, all that remained was to sweep up the dead briars.

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John Vines Collier Cemetery in 2012. Left to right CHF members Jan Rhodes, April Davis, Josh Rhodes, Jack Howard (owner of the Collier – Howard House), and Glen Collier.

William Collier was the seventh child born to Vines and Sarah Elizabeth Collier. William was born in April 1775 in Brunswick County, Virginia and died in 1849. He married Sallie Powell October 12, 1801 in Oglethorpe County, Georgia. Williamson Collier, my direct ancestor and brother of William Collier, married Sallie’s sister Jemima.

William and Sallie Collier had six children, one of which was John Vines Collier.

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Here is a copy of the survey of the cemetery, recorded in 1869.  Note the survey was made by G. W. Whitehead.

 

 

 

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  1. Gerilynn Campbell-Bates on April 11, 2016 at 8:34 am said:

    Have you surveyed the entire cemetery and do you have the names of all who are buried here?

  2. collierheritage on April 11, 2016 at 11:35 am said:

    From Elaine Collier Neal:

    This is one list.

    Collier, Sidney 6 Nov 1909 21 Dec 1910
    Collier, Ralph Sidney 5 Dec 1883 21 Nov 1973
    Collier, Woodie Williamson, 6 Mar 1887 1 Sep 1946

    Collier, John E 7 Nov 1852 27 Apr 1920
    , Sarah M 25 Oct 1856 20 Oct 1923

    Collier, L W 2 Sep 1839 25 Jul 1922

    Collier, Lousidney 19 May 1843 13 May 1907
    Wife of LW Collier

    Collier, John V 24 Feb 1809 27 Jan 1889

    Collier, Mrs. Elizabeth 25 Jun 1814 1 Apr 1868
    Wife of John Collier

    Bush, William Wade, 31 Mar 1842 26 Oct 1861
    He died in Yorktown, VA …

    pp. 20-21 in Cemeteries of Oglethorpe County, Georgia, 3rd ed., Historic Oglethorpe County, Inc. , 2005.

  3. Ralph Kelly on January 30, 2017 at 1:56 am said:

    Great job on the cemetary….I am the grandson of Ralph and Woodie Collier and son of Virginia, mother is in the Carlton Cemetary. I am in Virginia and wondering how the cemetary looks today? Feeling nostalgic for family! I’m named for my grandfather. Can you provide an address for the old home place and cemetary? Glad I found you! RDK

  4. collierheritage on January 30, 2017 at 10:19 am said:

    Ralph,

    Thank you for connecting with CHF. I personally haven’t been to the cemetery since 2013. We enlisted the help of a worker at the farm to clean it up and offered to pay for continued upkeep. He said he would keep it up but would not accept any money.

    I don’t know what old home place you reference. Is it on the farm where the cemetery is located? We are interested to know.

    Also, where is Carlton Cemetery?

    Thanks,

    Glen

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Isaac Cuthbert Collier, son of Robert Marshall & Amanda F. Greene Collier

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The final resting place of Isaac Cuthbert (I. C.) Collier, Greenwood Cemetery, Barnesville, GA, photo taken about 1909.

According to the entry in the family Bible, Isaac Cuthbert (I. C.) Collier was born June 24, 1844 to Robert M. and Amanda F. Greene Collier.  As with most Southern men of his time, he served in the Confederate army.  Returning from the war, he married Sarah Elizabeth Means December 21, 1865.  The couple had one child, a son, Jena Cuthbert (J. C.) Collier.  I. C. Collier died July 11, 1908 and was placed to rest in the pictured mausoleum built by his son, J. C. Collier. The following is the draft obituary of I. C. Collier, penned by J. C. in his own handwriting, and the subsequent article from the newspaper .

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  1. John Collier on November 5, 2015 at 5:01 pm said:

    I descend from the Efford Cobb Collier line that moved to Texas. My dad got extensively into genealogy in the 80’s and compiled a large document of the family line in Texas and some of Efford’s siblings that he obtained from Georgia distant relatives doing the same thing. It must be a descendant of Jena Cuthbert Collier as there is an extensive section.

    I’ve been putting all this work into Family Search, scanning photos and have even scanned most of his volume.

    The articles here are very interesting but I haven’t found any “trees” of family data. Are there?

    Is there interest in the “Texas” cousins and how could I best share it?

  2. collierheritage on November 5, 2015 at 11:08 pm said:

    Welcome! And thanks for your interest and inquiry. Efford C. Collier was the son of Robert Collier, and the grandson of Vines Collier. One of Efford’s siblings was Robert Marshall Collier. Robert Marshall was the father of Isaac Cuthbert Collier and the grandfather of Jena Cuthbert Collier. So, Efford C. would have been Jena’s great-uncle.

    If you haven’t done so, please take a look at the archived posts for January and
    February 2015. The post entitled “Background” tells how this site was started. I think it will be helpful moving forward for there a lot of things to post and tie together for your Texas branch. In short, Jena and Elmer (a descendant of Efford C.) separately sought out their ancestry. Jena made a least one trip to Texas to introduce himself to his relatives descended from Efford C. There was much correspondence between the two lines and CHF has many of the letters. Many of the them date to the 1920s and are no doubt to or from your ancestors or relatives.

    I am excited to have you join this website for I was hoping to attract the interest of the Central Texas line. There is much to share. I am in East Texas and also a descendant of Vines Collier through his son, Williamson.

    I will try to post something of specific interest in the next few days Please “subscribe” so you will be notified. Also, if you will select “contact” at the top of the page and send an email I will provide additional information.

    Glen Collier

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