Scraps of History – Vines Collier and the American Revolution

 

If you are a member of the DAR (Daughters of the American Revolution) or SAR (Sons of the American Revolution) through your lineage from Vines Collier, your may owe your membership to the efforts of Jena Cuthbert (J. C.) Collier and his son, Durward Cuthbert (D. C.).   In the 1920s, their research in Collier genealogy had found evidence that Vines Collier served in the Brunswick County, Virginia Militia as an Ensign in 1758, during the French and Indian War.  But what did their ancestor do during the American Revolution?  Researchers they hired continued to come up empty handed until they enlisted the assistance of Dr. J. D. Eggleston.  Wikipedia tells us this about Dr. Eggleston:

Joseph DuPuy Eggleston II (November 13, 1867 – March 15, 1953) was an American educator, the seventh president of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (Virginia Tech), and the 27th president of Hampden-Sydney College. Eggleston also served as a public school teacher and administrator and as the chief of the Division of Rural Education for the United States Bureau of Education.

It is uncleared how D.C and J.C were able to secure the efforts of such a prominent educator for the purposes of this research.  Regardless, it paid off because on March 8, 1928, Dr. Eggleston penned this note to them.  It simply reads “I have found Rev. service of Vines Collier in some loose papers in Va. State Library.”

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D. C. and his father were no doubt ecstatic.  Here is D. C.’s response.

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Dr. Eggleston was requested to obtain and provide photostatic copies of the evidence (see the February 28, 2015 CHF post “More Roots and In Search of a Patriot”).  I believe the following images, from the papers of J. C. Collier, are those photostatic copies.  They show Vines Collier supported the American Revolution by furnishing supplies, thus earning him the distinction of “Patriot”.

The following images were scanned from a large, rolled photostatic copy.  The large copy could only be scanned in total by overlapping the scanned area.  It should be apparent that the central portion is on both left and right images.

The strip on the extreme left reads

A Return of the proceedings of County Court of Brunswick

Under the Act instituted “An Act for adjusting Claims for Property

 impressed or taken for the public service”

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Line 15 shows on Certificate dated Oct. 20 Vines Collier was compensated  £ 10. 18. 9 for providing 1050 pounds of beef to the Revolutionary Cause.  Notes Charles Collier is listed on line 12.

In the following image, the right hand strip is a receipt for the beef and it states

Brunswick Co (?) hereby certifis that I have received
of Vines Collier three beef cattle adjudged to weigh one
Thousan and fifty pounds Including the fifth quarter
given under my hand this 20th day of October 1781
Chas Edmond (?)
1050 beef (?) 13-2-6 (?)

A little research tells me the”fifth quarter” refers to the entrails.

The left hand strip reads as the one in the above image.  The center portion of the image documents Vines Collier’s contribution of a black mare to the Revolution, for which he was granted £ 80, horses obviously being more valuable than cattle.

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My transcription is:

19th (probably February) Vines Collier claim for one black Mare impressed
by Daniel Ragan as above was considered.  It
appeared she was about 4 years old – about 4
feet 9 or 10 inches high – got by Oscar out of Janus
Mare & well formed.  The Court valued her to   80.0.0

Be sure to use the “zoom” feature for a close up view of the above documents.

Here is a link if you wish to view or download high resolution copies of the photographic images.

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Can You Believe It?? A Check for over $2 Million Dollars!!

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Well, not exactly.  The check was for a mere $129,886.56 that Jena Cuthbert (J. C.) Collier received for his cotton in 1918.  According to the website Dollar Times, in today’s money (2016) it would amount to $2,242,439.31!!  And, the tax rate in 1918 was only 12%.  Imagine how much Uncle Sam would get today!

All that was to get your attention.  More on the “big check” in a later post.  This post should have been entitled “Jena Cuthbert and Jessie Stephens Collier, The Early Years.”

Jena Cuthbert Collier was born in 1866.  Here is a tintype of him at age 6.

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Jena Cuthbert Collier, age 6

 

Here are two portraits of J. C., both made in 1884, when he turned 18 – perhaps the year he was graduating from Gordon Institute in Barnesville, Georgia.

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Jena Cuthbert Collier, January 1884

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Jena Cuthbert Collier, November 1884

The following tintype was probably made about the same time.  J. C. is the tall young man in the back.

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Jena Cuthbert Collier married Jessie Stephens..  Here is a tintype of Jessie as a child,

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and one of her as a young lady, exact date is unknown.

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Jessie was the daughter of Roswell Americus Stephens, an officer in the Confederate Army.  She was a member of the United Daughters of the Confederacy.  In this portrait of young Jessie Stephens, the Southern Cross of Honor adorns her neck.

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Jena and Jessie were married in 1888.  The following note, passed during their courtship, in keeping with the time and place elegantly captures the proper reply to a suitor’s request.  The date on the note is May 1, 1887.

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Closeup of JC Collier’s Fob

5 Thoughts on “Can You Believe It?? A Check for over $2 Million Dollars!!

  1. Ronnie Collier on September 17, 2016 at 6:36 pm said:

    Thanks Glen,

    These are great pictures of the past of our people..
    Just a thought, wonder how they accumulated so much wealth for the times.
    This was mostly done during reconstruction period. Amazing !!!

  2. collierheritage on September 17, 2016 at 7:49 pm said:

    J. C. Collier was truly a remarkable person. Born at the end of the War between the States, he was able to recognize opportunities when they arose and also to mold events and situations to his advantage. More to come on this man and his family!

  3. Elaine Collier Neal on September 18, 2016 at 5:35 am said:

    Dear Cousin Glen,
    Can you enlarge JC Collier’s fob in the picture? I am curious if it is a Confederate medal of his father’s or a scholarship metal he might have won. Great pictures.
    Elaine Collier Neal

    • collierheritage on September 18, 2016 at 8:10 am said:

      Elaine,
      You have an excellent idea. I still have the original picture so I re-scanned just the portion you asked about and inserted it above. I can see nothing more in looking at the original with a hand lens. Let us know if you see anything revealing.

  4. Marsha Collier on January 13, 2018 at 4:05 pm said:

    My ancestors were AMAZING I am so proud to be a COLLIER .They were truly gifted.

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Robert T. Collier . . . . But Not This One

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Grave of Robert Terrell Collier, Glenwood Cemetery, Upshur County, Texas

This is the marker of the grave of Robert Terrell Collier, grandson of Vines Collier, son of Williamson Collier, and my great-great grandfather.  In the 1870s Robert Terrell loaded his family into a covered wagon and left Upson County, Georgia for Texas.  He settled in East Texas, an area not unlike his native Georgia.  Although he had cousins who had already moved to Texas, there is no evidence they ever made contact.

Records of Confederate soldiers from Georgia showed that Robert T. Collier enlisted with a probable cousin, Green Collier, in the Woodson Guards, Company I, 32nd Georgia Regiment.  The unit formed at Thomaston, in Upson County.  The same records state the same Robert T. Collier died of the measles while on duty in Savannah.  I shrugged this off as typical of military records of that period that are often erroneous or incomplete.  Seeking to investigate this discrepancy, I applied to the National Archives for the military service records of Robert Terrell Collier.  The reply came back that no records of Robert Terrell Collier could be found.  However, the records of Robert Thomas Collier of Upson County Georgia were located.

Robert Thomas, son of Robert Marshall Collier, and Robert Terrell were first cousins once removed.  Robert Thomas was born in 1837, and Robert Terrell was born in 1836.  Both were from Upson County, Georgia.  It’s easy to see the cause of the confusion when looking back over 150 years.

I have yet to locate evidence of Robert Terrell’s military service.  In that part of the South where over 25 descendants of Vines Collier wore Confederate gray, it is almost impossible to believe Robert Terrell did not serve. As noted above, military records for the period are poor.

Following are the records provided by the National Archives.  They include a letter from Sarah E. (Stafford) Collier, widow of Robert Thomas, in which she seeks her dead husband’s compensation.  It is accompanied by a notarized statement from Robert Marshall Collier attesting to the accuracy of Sarah’s claim.  See the June 6, 2015 post “Robert Marshall Collier’s Papers” for more on Robert Thomas Collier.

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  1. Betty Collier King on January 24, 2019 at 2:25 pm said:

    I am the great, great granddaughter of Henry Collier, who was born about 1776 in SC and died in Dooly County, GA in 1840. He was the father of John Collier who was born about 1824, in Ga and died in1896 in Crewsville, Ga in 1896. I have been researching for about 30 years (with cousins) to try to find Henry’s ancestors, but have been unsuccessful. Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

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The Sons of Charles Vines Collier, Sr. and Rebecca Owen Collier

 

 

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Confederate Iron Cross at the grave of Sgt. Isaac Peterson Collier

The thread of the Confederacy is prominent in the tapestry that is the history of the Southern Collier family.   A preliminary count reveals over 25 grandsons and great-grandsons of Vines Collier who served in the Army of the Confederate States of America.  (As a side note, some came from slave holding families, some did not.)  Perhaps no where is the thread more evident than in the sons of Charles Vines Collier, Sr. and Rebecca Owen Collier.  Most of the information for this post comes from a compilation by the late Ramon Collier, a descendant of Charles Vines and Rebecca Collier.

Charles Vines Collier, Sr. was the son of Isaac Collier and the grandson of Vines Collier (see post “Isaac Collier, Son of Vines & Elizabeth Collier”).   He was born in 1793 in Oglethorpe County, Georgia and married Rebecca M. Owen on June 4, 1829.  Charles and Rebecca had twelve children.  Seven of the 12 were sons.  All wore Confederate gray.  From youngest to oldest they were:

  1. James Glenn Collier – born Oct. 2, 1848 in Upson County, Georgia; enlisted in the Confederate Army at the age of 15;  saw action around Atlanta in the last months of the war.
  2. Charles Vines Collier, Jr. – born in Upson County, Georgia Oct. 10, 1846; enlisted in Co. B, 2nd Battalion, Georgia Sharpshooters on April 16, 1864 at Dalton, Georgia at the age of 17; was captured at Nashville, Tennessee on Dec. 16, 1864; spent the remainder of the war in prison (including Camp Douglas, Illinois); was discharged on May 17, 1865; reportedly walked home, travelling mostly at night; was never paid for his service to the Confederacy.
  3. Pascal Smith Collier – born in Upson County, Georgia Oct. 29, 1844; was wounded at the Seven-Day Battle of Richmond and died of those wounds July 4, 1862 at the age of 17; buried in an unmarked grave (approximate location known) at Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond, Virginia.  Named for his uncle, Paschal Smith, who reportedly served with his father (Charles Vines Collier, Sr.) in the War of 1812. UPDATE See Addition at the End of this Post
  4. John Brackett Collier – born in Upson County, Georgia Feb. 22, 1840; rode horseback from Thomaston, Georgia to West Point, Mississippi and enlisted in the 14th Mississippi Regiment; was wounded at Franklin, Tennessee; spent 6 months in a Union prison in Chicago.
  5. Hardeman Owen Collier – born 1838 in Upson County, Georgia; was 3rd Lieutenant and 2nd Captain of Co. A, 46th Georgia Regiment of Gist’s Brigade and General Walker’s Division;  died June 20th, 1864 of wounds received at the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain in the defense of Atlanta; he is buried in an unmarked grave (approximate location known) at the foot of the mountain;  The story of his death is found in the Diary of Sgt. Jim White:  “(Captain) Collier was killed near our breastworks.  I heard and saw where the minnie ball struck him before he fell, dropping on the knee.  I asked if he was hurt much, in response, running up to our breastworks we secured a litter and bore him over the works while minnie balls flew thick and fast.  He died in about an hour without speaking.”
  6. William Thomas Collier – born March 27, 1835 in Upson County, Georgia; was a member of Co. B, 2nd Battalion, Georgia Sharpshooters
  7. Isaac Peterson Collier – born July 7, 1831 in Upson County, Georgia; joined Co. K, 5th Georgia Volunteer Infantry along with two of his cousins  (Charles V. and Cuthbert Hicks Collier, sons of Cuthbert S. Collier); was recognized for heroism and offered a battlefield commission for his actions at the Battle of Kennesaw Mountain in the defense of Atlanta.  He eloquently declined the promotion.  Brigadier General John King Jackson reported the act in a general order recognizing the deed as an “act of distinguished valor”:

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Here is an eye witness account by John H. Harp, one of the men saved by Isaac Peterson Collier.  It was written years later, and this explains the inconsistency in the date.

IPC eye witness account

Sgt. Collier was offered a battlefield commission in Company E, but declined with the following statement on June 24, 1864.

Captain:  I have the honor to most respectfully decline the above promotion.  In throwing the shell from the ditch, I am conscious of having done nothing but my duty in attempting to save my life and the lives of the men around me.  I prefer to remain in my company with my comrades, whom I left home with on the 7th day of May, 1861.

Isaac Peterson Collier’s brave deed took place on June 21, 1864.  Sgt. Collier’s brother, Hardeman Owen Collier, had been killed only the day before in the same battle.  It is not known whether he was aware of his brother’s death.

For his bravery, Isaac Peterson Collier was nominated for the Confederate Medal of Honor in 1996.  The vote to approve failed with a 3 – 3 tie.  Subsequent efforts to approve the recognition were even less successful.  In the Kennesaw Mountain Battleground Museum, the bravery of Isaac Peterson Collier is acknowledged by a plaque on the informational rail.

 

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Grave of Sgt. Isaac Peterson Collier, Isaac Collier Cemetery, Upson County, Georgia.

 

After publishing this post, I received the following email from Kathleen Collier Burgess, daughter of the late Ramon Collier and his wife Carol.  Kathleen, I believe, is the great-granddaughter of  Charles Vines Collier, Jr.  I hope she corrects me if I am wrong.

Mom forwarded your email about the post regarding the sons of Charles Vines and Rebecca Owen Collier. She asked me to give you the following information:

In 2003 Dad, Mom and I went to Hollywood Cemetery in Richmond and found the grave of Pascal Smith Collier. There was a number for him (471, section M) recorded in the office which was also on a very small marker. The identification number was available because Pascal was injured and hospitalized there before dying from his wounds. Dad and Mom sent ~$100 to a government organization and had a marker erected at the grave site, so it is no longer unmarked.

Here is a link with a photograph for your records:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=9747032

Thank you for keeping up the historical record.

– Kathleen Collier Burgess

Thank you, Kathleen, for this additional information.  Here is the marker.

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4 Thoughts on “The Sons of Charles Vines Collier, Sr. and Rebecca Owen Collier

  1. Wayne Collier on September 15, 2015 at 8:44 am said:

    Very interesting, thanks for sharing!

  2. Just discovering my Colliers on the tree outside of Indiana. I used to live in Kennesaw when my spouse was stationed at Ft McPherson, never knew…

  3. Greg C. White on August 13, 2018 at 10:08 pm said:

    Hello,

    Can you provide me with details about the nomination of Isaac P. Collier for the Confederate Medal of Honor, and was there a reason it failed?

    I’m not a Collier family member, but a published Civil War author, and I’m also a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

  4. collierheritage on August 14, 2018 at 8:03 am said:

    First of all, we welcome all who have an interest in Collier family history. Starting in Virginia in the mid-1600s, Collier history is the history of this nation.

    CHF has a file on the subject of Isaac Peterson Collier. The information will be put up as a new post in the near future, so please “subscribe” so that you will be notified.
    Thank you,

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